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« on: February 17, 2013, 08:32:14 pm »
I've spotted a few of these old models up for sale recently and they fall closer to my budget than a round cab. Trouble is I know very little about them! How good are they off road compared to say a Defender 90? And do they have the power to run small but modern implements from the PTO like a chipper or flail mower?

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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2013, 08:34:25 pm »
411's are great, if you want to do 35 mph down hill with the wind behind you, and that depends if you get a u30, 32, or 34!
its safe to say theyre not the most powerful machines in the world, infact the 30,32,and 34 denotes the horse power (many people call 411's by there horse power, for example we have 2 U32's, and if you want to go into more detail you could say if its an a,b or c, this denotes its eara, the A has a pressed axle for instance instead of a 3 piece like the b and the c, but that doesnt matter for now) so hense, they dont really have enough power to run a wood chipper or flail mower, they are becoming more and more valuable though as a collectors mog, we do use ours to run the log splitter though, and once we tried the chipper but the spout kept blocking because of the lack of power,and it struggled to lift it.

Off road they are pretty amazing, the short wheel base is 67", shorter than the shortest ever landrover, but this was for maneuverability, for offroad its better with the 84" wheel base, less chance of it flipping over or doing a hand stand.  :-\

Also when looking for a mog make sure its got anything that you may need like linkage and hydraulics, cause 9 times out of 10 youll get it cheaper than if you bought the parts separately.

411's are nice to drive if your not in a rush any where, we made some calculations a while ago and figured your average speed would be between 25 and 30 mph.

Hope this helps, Brian  :)
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2013, 08:39:24 pm »
 i like the little 411's, but they are like a little series 1 landy (sorry brian) they are great fun but no realy a working truck anymore. i'm guessing your looking at buying a mog?? would it be a working mog (for a business) or a personal toy?

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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2013, 08:41:33 pm »
they are like a little series 1 landy

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working machone i do believe, for what your planning to do i would stick with a 900. :)
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2013, 09:03:18 pm »
I'm a landscaper by trade so like to think I could make use of one. I do some tree work, run my own towable wood chipper and heat my house with wood so it would certainly be helpful even if a lot of it's use would be for personal benefit. It would have to be able to run a 6" chipper at the very least for it to be worth having though - if I'm going to spend the money I would like it to earn some in return.

I like the little 411 because it's cheap, but I've always had my heart set on an ag spec 406. By todays standards even they are low on power but it's good enough to get by doing what I'd like to. The square cabs are just too big - I wouldn't have anywhere to park it for a start!

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2013, 09:03:44 pm »
 After reading the Facebook post maybe a 403 could be good too. I like the sound of that - it uses less fuel!


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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2013, 09:05:24 pm »
well i'm in the same busineess as you. i do a fair bit of tee work with a turntable 6" on the back and she is happy as larry with it. i know someone who runs a 9"/10" in his u900. You can tweak them as well to about 110hp (brian or moose's area) i've run a 6ft topper as well off it.

i bought an old snow blower and have put on PTO and linkage at the back. (there are some pics of her on here)

The fuel side isnt to bad. my defender 110 will use more loaded than the mog will. i recon she runs on 20ltrs a day when i'm out chipping with her.
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2013, 09:06:55 pm »
20l a day? That's not much at all. I've been going by the book listings - up to 13l/hr @2200rpm and 18l/100km. Do you run your chipper on tickover or just above? Going by book figures I was guessing I'd get through more like 60l a day?! I use 20l of petrol in my Timberwolf on a hard day so allowing for the loaded truck too (Ranger - does about 20mpg loaded) it could well be cheaper to run a Mog - and I wouldn't have to shovel the chip off at the end of the day!

My feelings about buying one had kind of gone a bit cold recently having bought a new car and proposed to my other half. I think I'm going to have to try to put some cash aside when I can though and restart my mission (I've got £20 on it with my mate that I'll have one before I'm 40!).

I was lucky enough to be winch man with a local estate's MB Trac 900 today. I was helping with some felling and it really got me thinking of what I could do if I bought a Mog. I'm sure I could find work for it and the manager said he would push people my way when they ask him if he can do contract work (he doesn't).

What did your truck set you back if you don't mind me asking? I've been looking at those two well known dealers up north and they're looking for £10k for a 406 now! I emailed a fella in Holland this morning and he recons he can get the one he's selling (looks half decent and fitted with a front linkage) to my address for 8250 euro! It's worth flying there for a look for that saving.

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2013, 09:07:59 pm »
you certainly can fuel the 900's up but id always take it to an official unimog dealer cause if you do it wrong it can be seriously expensive. we dont do it ourselves, we get it done by the pro's.
800's are getting harder to find these days as not many people wanted them because they only have 72 bhp rather than 88.

the reason it doesnt use a lot when its running the chipper is because there isnt a lot of load on the engine. Ive spoken to dad about this and he says its like driving up hill, the more load the more fuel used. hense with the chipper the fly wheel does all the work for the mog, so even though its revving its not having to work to hard.
when driving we get around 18-20 mpg. B)

congrats on the proposal  :) that 20 quid could go towards your mog!  ;)
the mb tracs are awesome machines but a mog would be more practical for you, with a body and chipper etc...

As an admin i cant comment on any dealers, whether used or new.

Regarding the mog in holland, be careful, buying a mog thats cheap can often be an expensive choice, as it can cost a lot to repair them.
also find out what the specs are first, such as hours, disc/drum brakes, linkage, pto's, gearbox etc...
i might do a buying guide soon for the 900's.
also, front linkage looks good, but a din plate is much more practical. this is because with linkage the weight is moved foward a lot, where as with a din plate the implement is mounted right up to the front of the mog. like this



Note how close the Mulag mower is mounted to the Unimog, with linkage this would be much further forward. also with din plates you can get linkage kits that mount to them (although not so easy to find for 900's but could maybe make one :working:  ), giving you a wider range of implements to fit. plus with linkage the pto rotation is wrong for any implements that are usually on the back, so you would have to get a reverse drive box aswell.

But i would say to find out more info and if it sound likes its worth it and you can afford it then go take a look at it :D it'll be a holiday at least :)

cheers, Brian   :)

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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2013, 09:10:31 pm »
as brian said its the fly wheels doing the work on the chipper. i run mine at 2000rpm spinning the chipper fly wheel on 1000rpm. most i've used in fuel is 25ltr on a 20 mile round trip as well as chipping for a couple of hours.

mine was bought from atkinson vos. she was cheap but i've spent a few grand re-welding the cab and renewing other bits. it was less than any u will find on his site lol.
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2013, 09:10:59 pm »
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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2013, 09:12:56 pm »
yay 100th post on the site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2013, 09:15:08 pm »
These din plates... Are they the same as Schmidt plates? I'm assuming that's perhaps just one of many manufacturers of what is essentially the same thing?

How do you go about mounting tools on there? I have to consider the fact that I will want to mount and remove the chipper each time it's used and I don't have any other means of lifting that sort of weight.

I don't know if you keep a regualr eye on the vos website but I fell in love with the green U900 they had a year or two back. It was near fully restored and came with pto's, 3 way tipper and rear linkage for £8k+vat. It seems like they want nearer £15k now and that just can't happen in my world. Having just bought an Audi S4 I spend most of my money on petrol! ::)

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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2013, 09:16:02 pm »
These din plates... Are they the same as Schmidt plates? I'm assuming that's perhaps just one of many manufacturers of what is essentially the same thing?
bri thats one for u lol.

din plate only fits the front, so if it has rear linkage on then there shouldnt be a problem, unless you want a chipper firing over the cab?

my chipper is on the rear linkage so can be taken off easy enough. i'm looking at a reversing camera to help with hitching up.

yeah they ave gone up in price since i bought mine.
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2013, 09:19:18 pm »
I did think about having the chipper front mounted. Only because with half a ton or so of chipper hanging off the back and a chip box full of chip (over 5m3 if I'm not mistaken) that's going to put a fair load on the rear axle? I figured it would handle better if it was loaded more evenly?

All this is just a dream at the moment. My savings were over half way towards getting a sensible on but I spent most of them on the car. It'll take me another year to build it up I'd have thought, but as they're so rare it doesn't hurt to keep looking around to see how the market is running. The annoying thing is that I would have saved a good amount of money by buying that tidy one from Vos on finance - I had no idea the prices would rise so fast and it would have easily offset the interest and then some!