Author Topic: Hi, to you all (Read 3046 times)

bobisok · « **on:** June 10, 2014, 09:39:28 am »

I live in a small town called Ossett near Wakefield and have had a real interest for some time now in owning a Unimog. I have read up about the 404 in the mag for my other interest of Classic Plant and Machinery, the feature ran for 4 consecutive months and gave very detailed information about its history including its origins and development etc . My reason for joining the club is to learn much more and hopefully buy a Unimog preferably with a H :)iab type crane fitted behind the cab and to be able to tow a dump trailer and low loader trailer. I look forward to discussing matters of interest with many of you in the future, until then I will be happy to read the current posts with interest. Cheers Bob

bart 420 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 10, 2014, 12:12:46 pm »

Hiya mate welcome to the site
What's your plans with the mog you want I own a 404 and wouldn't say that there to use every day for work the 406 sounds like a better truck for work or newer trucks im not saying that the 404 is no good for it but there noisy the brakes are pants lol and I don't think you will get a hydraulic hiab on the back at least it will tow well and there is always the options of disk brake conversion and electric hiab
Sure you will get what you're after on here

IanRubie · « **Reply #2 on:** June 10, 2014, 02:41:59 pm »

Hi Bob,

Welcome.

Following on from what Bart said, I also have a 404 and would agree with him that a 406 / 416 would make a better work truck.

Ian

Villager · « **Reply #3 on:** June 10, 2014, 05:51:21 pm »

Hi Bob, depending how much you want to tow I'd suggest anything above a 1600 if you've got the funds. But it really depends what you're plans are

Welcome to the club

Cheers Brian

njc110381 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 10, 2014, 10:04:13 pm »

Hi Bob, and welcome to the forum. I'm with Brian on this - heavy towing and a hiab wants a big square cab... It's a great excuse to buy a huge mog!

bobisok · « **Reply #5 on:** June 11, 2014, 09:00:57 am »

Hi Guys, thanks for your rapid response, knew it was a good idea joining. My situation is that I run Bobcats as a small business and need to stay under 3500 kg's gross trailer weight behind my 4x4 to stay away from tacho and operator licence. Not that this would be a problem as I have my HGV class 1 licence but don't have the premises suitable to qualify for the operators licence. So I thought for muck shifting jobs if I had a large dump trailer behind a Unimog then I've got something much better and far more fun than a boring truck. Plus my yard/field in the wet needs something like a Mog. The Hiab/crane is just something I thought would be useful for lifting 1 ton bulk bags on and off but I suppose I could live without it.
Its really the towing side which is important, I appreciate what you said about the 404, I only mentioned this because its the only feature on Mogs I have found before joining the forum.
As I am running a business, however small, I need to stay legal mainly due to my insurance being invalid if anything is not quite right (you know what their like) From what I have been told, because I have a class 1 licence I can legally drive a Tractor and trailer under the agricultural rules and regs so my thinking is that a Unimog would also qualify. It would not be used every day but I suppose when it was used I would like to tow somewhere between 10 and 15 tons gross. Am I being too optimistic, I haven't seen any towing specifications for a Unimogs could you help with this??
It would be easier and probably cheaper just to get a large 4x4 tractor, but I would rather get a Unimog .
Thanks again for your help and kind welcome.

Craig · « **Reply #6 on:** June 11, 2014, 11:57:44 am »

Hi bob, and welcome.

From you brief description above of what you want to use your unimog for and your concerns of running legal, it sounds like you set up would not could under agricultural use, I`m guessing muck shifting for hire or reward, delivering plant, delivering bulk bulks. while this is all possible and legal with a mog it might need to be registered as a commercial, bringing o licence, fuel, driving licence, so on, into the mix.

Going back to the choice of unimog I would go with the others and say you would want a heavy chassis square cab for lots of towing, there are some versions of small chassis but with big power but had to come by.
Towing the weight you talk should be OK as for a correctly set up agricultural machine can gross at 24490kgs (of the top of my head).

Sorry If I dampened your bonfire down slightly, and apologise if I have read your circumstances wrong and you could come under agricultural use.

bobisok · « **Reply #7 on:** June 12, 2014, 01:01:50 pm »

Hi Craig, thanks for the info. It may have restricted my intentions slightly but I will have to check further as I remember in the mid to late 90's there was a lot of plant men using large 4x4 tractors or fastracks to haul dump trailers and/or low loader trailers to move plant with a real gain as they were running on red diesel, no operators licence etc etc. However I have heard that they were clamped down on and stopped apart from if you had a class 1 licence which covered the articulated combination.
Back to Unimogs, would a 416 be ideal for me and do they all have a crew/double cab. I wouldn't really need that arrangement and would prefer the extra load deck area. How much do you think I would have to pay for one, for example minimum price/condition and maximum price/condition. This is new territory for me so are there any buyers guides available and where best to buy one from. Thanks again for your help.

njc110381 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 12, 2014, 08:15:15 pm »

There are so many variations of Unimog that it's hard to list them. Even within each model range there are loads of variations of pretty much the same vehicle! You can get a 416 in a standard cab model just as you can get a 406 with a double. They also come in hard/soft top versions with various gearboxes, hydraulic additions and linkages. As I say, the variations are endless!

The 416 has the same engine as the 406. HP output varies from around 80 to 130 I think. None that I know of have a turbo, which I think you could perhaps benefit from if towing. The down side to the round cab models is that it's also pretty hard to fit one as the engine bay space is very limited.

Price to buy can vary wildly depending on spec and condition. I've seen shabby ones go for £3-4k, and a fancy restored 406 for over £20k. Try to find one with what you want already fitted to it as adding extras later can cost a lot.

Finally, a buyers guide... Good luck with that! If you find one then let us know. Mogs are rare, it's pretty tough just getting basic info on them at times. On a positive note though, parts don't seem too hard to come by for the main components.

Unimog Club UK

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