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General Topics Forums => Non Unimog Chat => Topic started by: njc110381 on March 02, 2013, 08:42:30 pm
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That sounds spot on... I want that one! :D
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The great thing about laimet is it produces perfect size chip every time, which is perfect for the more fussy biomass boilers. However, I dont think they're any good for thin or leafy stuff, and they require a lot of power to run, they don't like nails either.
What you need is a heizohack ;) chip any kind of timber, pallets, round wood, branches etc.
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I've been thinking of getting a biomass boiler. What chip spec does it produce? Will it cut leafy stuff too or is it a bit pants for that?
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Search for laimet chipper, useless for you guys, but a great principle, perfect size chips every time :)
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Now I'm just obsessing that I could have a pencil sharpener that looks like a chipper! :D
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you have seen the pencil sharpeners like that look like chippers........ then add a mog ::) :D
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50p and a big apple ;)
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Details?
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Made in Taiwan ???
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Trust me, you don't want that chipper... :-\
I know I'm trying to get rid! :D
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Haha! Good as that is it? It's starting to sound even better than the chip box that doesn't tip!
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Trust me, you don't want that chipper... :-\
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That's true. Free revs with little load is a good way forward. Hey - all this chat may even apply soon...
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Njc I've got the Chipper for you if u wanna do that. Ain't that right Mr villager :D
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You'd struggle with running at 1000 rpm, as you wouldn't have the torque. You could do it with really light stuff. You'd be better running in 540 at 2000rpm, you'd use around the same fuel, as the low down torque required at 1000rpm in 1000 speed would use quite a lot of fuel.
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Sorry about that - back on topic...
What I mean is, if you get a chipper designed to run at 540, you could then put the mog in 1000 and run it at half the revs it would need if it was in 540 to match? So just for arguments sake, a chipper that needs 540rpm could be run with the mog in 1000 and running 1000 engine rpm? So you would still have 540ish, just with less power?
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Got your pm :)
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Ah, Mr Villager.... I really need to talk to you! I'm a bit stuck!
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Never broken one yet :)
As casto says, you run the Mog a 2000 rpm, which is fine for chipping. When doing paddocks we tend to run between 1600 and 2000 depending on the thickness.
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It's just geared different in the pto box. My Chipper needs 1000rpm at the pto but the mog runs at 2000 engine speed. The mog will rev to 3600 flat out. If you throw the 540/1000 lever over to run 540 pto you still run at 2000 engine rpm.
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Do you break many shear pins?
I didn't realise that to get 540/1000 rpm you need to be running to engine nearly flat out. I suppose when working hard you would want it to be throwing all the power it has at the implement, but that's going to cost a fair bit to fuel when running something like a chipper? Unless you get a 540 geared chipper, run the PTO at 1000? That would work for a smaller chipper right?
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with the 1000 speed pto you can keep the revs on the 900 on tick over, anything with a knot stalls it before breaking it :) but we always try stoping the mog before it stalls anyway, even on the 411, as it makes getting the piece of would off easier :P
we have a shear bolt on the spliter anyway, where the pto joins.
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How's that possible when splitting knotty rubbish with a Hycrack though? It just adds load until the wood gives - as far as my limited experience can see once it's pulling in there's little you can do to stop it unless you declutch and wind it out by hand?
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just got to treat it right ;)
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Considering the highest recommended load for the 1 3/8 pto is 45hp, I think you may be right. That's a pretty serious over load.
I might try to get 1 3/4 shafts for mine, can always adapt down.
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that was on the green one ;) weve never done anything really big on the black one, but with 50 more ponies it would be interesting :P
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Which one was that on though? That black thing isn't quite standard is it...
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stalled the 411 loads of times with it, but thats only 30bhp at the engine :P if you do it right you have to get the chain saw out, and be very careful with your chain against the cone ;)
as for on a 900, we split a meter wide oak log once, must have been half a meter to a meter tall as well, had to crane it on 8) it struggled but did it ;)
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15 minutes to shovel that out... Any time you're down this way and want a job give me a knock - we never move that quick! :D
I wonder how the Hycrack will work on a mog? I keep stalling my little tractor and it's a ball ache to wind it back out! Hopefully the extra hp and torque should mean that doesn't happen too often. Brian - have you ever stalled yours?
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It's an easy change later I guess. Better to have a mog and a good shovel than no mog at all.
That was my thought. It takes about 15/20mins to enpty plus there are good and bad designed chip boxes.
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It's an easy change later I guess. Better to have a mog and a good shovel than no mog at all.
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Needs must! I needed a chip box a :Pnd :P it was available. I spent about £100 to make it what it is. I bought on a budget
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Oh no - I couldn't be having any of that! You need a tipper bed, I mean really need! Shoveling 6m3 of chip... Pfft! No way! And it snags the linkage too? Remind me why you still have it (I think I can guess)?
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Nope :D :D
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Shoveling it out? You're kidding right? :o
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Err nnoooo ;) keeps u fit shoveling it out :D
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Hmm, maybe. Any down sides to it that you can think of? ;)
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Oh... That makes a really easy solution. Come on fella, get your money out and have it done properly! :D
Lol do you wanna buy a chip box njc? I ave one for sale :D
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Oh... That makes a really easy solution. Come on fella, get your money out and have it done properly! :D
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or fit a proper body... youve got the spider frame!
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Or make a front mount and buy a second hand PTO shaft to butcher? They're quite cheap. I'm sure it would be simple enough to fabricate a plate that mounts on the front of the chassis? A Hycrack is light enough to pick up and mount by hand?
There's a part on the AV site that rigid mounts stuff on the back - don't suppose it would take much to adapt it to fit the front?
Oh, and if anyone spots a used front or rear linkage I may be interested depending on how this weeks purchasing plan goes...
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Yeah I'm thinking a couple of lenghts of box to replace the link arms that will push everything further away from the mog. I cant alter the splitter as its not mine but can make the mog fit it :)
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Someone needs a front linkage...
The hydraulic types are very good as long as they're a decent size. An estate I shoot for uses one to process their timber - they split it in 1m+ lengths and then run it through the saw bench to get it ready for the fire. Looks to be a much quicker way to process than cutting the logs to length then splitting.
Could you not make up some sort of extension arms for your linkage to allow the Hycrack to sit further back? A couple of heavy pipes with holes drilled to bolt to the arms and another set for the pins on the splitter would do for something that light, and you could also make use of the longer PTO shaft?
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My chip body is too long so fouls on that and the shaft is too long. As its not mine i cant shorten the shaft. I've just started enquiring about the wood guillotine type processors for all my rubbish wood like coni, willow and POP
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How come it doesn't fit then? It's not a complicated tool! ???
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not with that body on! ;)
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Lol i was kinda hoping it wasnt great but I guess i'll have to add it to my wish list! :D 8)
Yeah I borrow a hydrocrack on the 698 as it doesn't fit the mog :'(
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Hcracks rock, did you go for the bigun or the littleun?
we run one off our mogs, sometimes the 411, which runs it nicely. but sometimes of the 900 with the 1000 speed pto, which seriously throws them through! :D
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Absolutely fantastic. I've even hit a few nails with it and it's had no ill effect on the blade. Still as sharp as ever and back pain is a thing of the past. Last week I added a new toy to the collection too - a Hycrack log splitter.
The little tractor really does struggle with that but hey ho, it's better than swinging a maul and when I do get a mog I'll have more than enough power to run it.
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Just thought I'd see how the saw bench is going now its a few months old :)
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i always say health and safety starts up here (tapping my head) the thing is that the more rules there are the less aware people become of dangers.
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It looks like a tool that you could use your whole life and not get hurt as long as you stay alert and stick to the rules. There aren't many bits on it that will guard you from occasional lapses in concentration!
I think the H&S culture of today is a bit silly myself. People got my with stuff like this for generations and if they got hurt it was because they were either very unlucky or stupid. These days it has to be someone's fault which bugs me a little. When I cut the end off of my finger with my bosses hedge cutter the blades weren't coming to a complete stop when I released the throttle and I suppose I could have claimed something for that. I didn't because in my opinion it was my fault for putting my finger in the blade!
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one of my favourites ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmtMv7Cz0HA
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falling from the top of a unimog camper body at the mercedes benz truck factory in worth, on what might be the hardest patch of land in the word as its had thousands of trucks drive over it. falling head first with my arms out to break my fall, landing with slap, jumping up saying im all right, then 5 minutes later leaning against a fence yellow/green. went to the hospital turns out id broken my wrist and one of my thumb bones 8) like a boss!
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Lol don't get me started! Most of mine are tree related and involve my mates rather than me. I learn from there pain :)
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That's better! Keep them coming.
I don't suppose I mentioned the small health and safety risk I took some years ago when I climbed 25 feet up a sycamore tree to prune the top out? It was part of a hedge so had been topped before so I set to the branches with my pruning saw. Some time later when I needed to move a little I found a nice sized branch, stamped on it a couple of times to check it wasn't one of the loose ones I'd cut and it didn't budge... It didn't so I stepped onto it. That's when the smaller branch that was holding it up there snapped and I fell 25 feet into the neighbours compost heap on top of an old bike! That bloody hurt I can tell you, but after getting over the shock and realising my legs still worked I was back up there finishing off what I'd started. Slightly sore but lesson learned and no harm done. I wear a harness now!
It's pretty scary to think that a mate of mine fell from a branch less than 6 feet from the ground when collecting conkers - he's been in a wheelchair ever since. :(
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Njc I'm a professional all the time. i've never had a chainsaw pulled from my harness and into a pond, nor have I ever driven a ride on mower through a pair of double doors at the age of 12 ::) ;D
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nah, im all right thanks ;D
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Don't tell me you've never done anything silly Casto? Come on, share your stories - we promise not to laugh, honest... :D
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Well i've just found 2 candidates for the darwin awards! :D
Brian if I find any of ur body, do you want it back? ;)
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You'd have thought that knowing what it can do to a log would have given you a clue?! At least you learned your lesson without any really serious outcome.
I once watched a bloke try to line up a link pin on a forklift with his finger - he no longer has that finger! :-[
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Ha, the blade had frozen into place so we knocked it of with the crane, then cause I was young I thought I'd keep spinning it, then tried stopping it. Half a tonne of momentum doesn't want to stop :-\
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You cut the end of your thumb off with a chipper? Please tell me it was during a blade change or something rather than when using it? :o
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did mine with a schliesing chipper, in fact with what is now castos chipper ;D he may find traces f blood in there one day :P
10" is reasonable, any bigger and you can use the chainsaw :)
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I cut the end off of my middle finger with a hedge cutter some years back - again fixable but the nerves have never been the same since! Note to self - don't stick your fingers in sharp places and they'll stay intact! ::)
I had the saw out again today and really pushed it. The biggest log I managed was sycamore about 14" round and the little tractor really wasn't impressed! I had to pull it out and go in from the other side as it hit the blade stop before it made it right through. After attacking some much bigger stuff I've come to the conclusion that it handles up to 9-10" with no bother at all. Anything over that and I need to be a bit considerate and not just ram it through hard!
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well ive chopped the end of my right thumb of, so i have to say health and safety isnt my strong point :-[ they did manage to sew it back on though :)
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I'm not sure my Kubota would have the balls to run that - in fact I know it wouldn't.
I'm not a fan of health and safety. It gets in the way of natural selection!
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Lol its a bit mad but pritty cool. There was another with a convayer feed which looked a lot safer as thete was 3 sides for the timber to hit. It would be awesome for small stuff I usually sling through the Chipper
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lol i know how bad they are :D i ave a few jobs i could do with it though ;D. oh and i've been on youtube as well. look what i found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE6TXEe3l6g
Is that thing legal :o i know its got the gaurd around the hole, but it doesnt go right round? imageing sticking your arm in that :-[ although i always say health and safety starts up here (your head) ;D
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Lol yeah it is a muller trailer
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwg-MdGFpGI
Ohhhh, tidy looking 900 and müller mitteltal (i think) 8)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwg-MdGFpGI
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can you tell i'm not at work today?? ::) ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSxt0nbUFWw&feature=endscreen&NR=1
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lol i know how bad they are :D i ave a few jobs i could do with it though ;D. oh and i've been on youtube as well. look what i found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE6TXEe3l6g
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You'd soon take that back if you had to put fuel in it for a day!
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Lol yeah I've seen the massy ones and my god there scary! An open saw blade looks a bit dodgy even for me lol.
I'll swap ur 660 for my 211 ;D
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Something that may work on a mog is an old Ferguson saw. It's the same idea, just older and I've seen them go for around £200. Add a carbide blade (under £100) and you're there. You'll soon save that in fuel and chain oil.
I'm terrible for my toys. I don't really need any of it but it's work related and cuts down the tax bill, so why not?!
Anyway, how can you be the one to fall out with me. I'm not the one who's showing off owning a nice U900! If you like my saw that much I'd be happy to swap! ;D
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njc i think i've just fallen out with u lol :D
i want a saw bench now!! :) thats awesome!! its a lot quicker and safer than a saw for doing under 3inch stuff. the mog wouldnt blink an eye at that foot long piece either. mmmm..... wonder where i could get a cheap one???
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yeah, the kubotas are probably the best compact tractor for there price :)
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Cheers for that, much appreciated.
I don't cut big stuff like that very often at all. Generally most of what I bring home is heavy prunings up to around 4" and it cuts those easily. In the long run it will be fitted to something bigger anyway. I may even upgrade my little compact at some point, it's about as small as you can get with a linkage fitted and I got it to run a 42" belly mower rather than to do this.
Having said that it's a good little tractor. Selectable 2/4wd, rear diff lock, fiddle brakes... It does a hell of a lot for it's size!
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thats a right thing! 8) its not a problem with the big bits, all youd have to do is cut a big bit then do a full thin bit and go back to your big bit :) Now liked by unimog club uk :)
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A short video of it running.... Note how the tractor revs come right down when I cut the big log! It's only 10hp at the PTO though so it does pretty well, and most of the wood I cut is small.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFm-jMtReaI
Even on the little Kubota it cuts that big log near the end a lot faster than a chainsaw.
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I can completely see where he's coming from. As a work truck I think it's the best one you've got. That Doka is nice, but not as nice as the black one!
The 660 has a few bars. I generally used to cut firewood with the 16" mounted in my bench. Less teeth to sort out if/when I hit something hard in the wood! I cut up a lot of sawn timber that I get off of sites - roof joists etc. I can be pretty sure I'll hit a nail at least once a day, although this carbide tipped blade doesn't seem too bothered by them so far. Even the old plate saw blade was fairly robust compared to a chainsaw.
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Naaah, tbh i think that would be the last mog dad would sell, either that or the green beast, im not sure hed keep the 411, he likes a daily driver 8)
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i bet you wouldnt say no to a reasonably priced posh splitter though ;)
Not if it came with your black mog I wouldn't! ;D
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Lol don't tempt me njc :D I'm guessing the 660 is on a 20+ inch bar? Funny enough i mentioned the saw bench to a lad to as i was using a chop saw to cut 5x3 posts :P
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its the torque that counts for a lot with that sort of thing 8)
a foots pretty reasonable, it would do for what we used to do. i bet you wouldnt say no to a reasonably priced posh splitter though ;)
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I was going to take some today but it started snowing and I decided running to the comfort of my nice sofa in front of the wood burner was more appealing! I'll probably have it out again on the weekend so I'll take some then. Maybe even a short video too.
I did put through some logs that made the tractor grumble a bit. It's fine up to around 8" but any more than that and it drags the revs right down. Not surprising though really when you see how much faster the blade eats through them than a chainsaw can - It beats my MS660 by a mile and that thing's a beast!
You need one casto, trust me! On a mog it would cut stuff a foot round with no trouble.
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Guess you dont wanna do that again in a hurry! :o
That's sounds like sweet little set up now. I'd almost say a mogs over kill, but i'm a mog fan so it would be perfect :D let's ave some pics of ur rig :)
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I went down to Devon to pick the bench up on Saturday. Good old highways agency had closed one section of the M5 and diverted it through Taunton. That turned a 2hr20 run into a 3hr30 one and I wasn't too pleased. Then when I got to the town the fella's address was at I rang him and it turned out he was 7 miles back up the road I'd just driven down! On top of all that I was up the night before throwing up with some weird stomach bug. I'd already let the guy down once though and wasn't going to let it happen a second time. I was going no matter what and all in all it was a right ball ache of a trip!
On a positive note it's a great piece of kit. My little Kubota lifts and runs it easily and it's only a little 2cyl 12.5hp diesel. I recon a mog would turn it all day long just ticking over. I cut up a dozen or so barrows of wood with it today because I couldn't wait until the weekend to try it out. It's so comfortable compared to a chainsaw, you barely know you're working at all and it even puts the old bench to shame!
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thats the problem, theyre to precious to think of the figure :D
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Another way of looking at it is that if you say the correct figure, I might say yes....
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i thought afterwords that somebody might reply with that :D ;D the simple answer is, you suggest the correct figure and we might say yes ;)
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.... you'll give me the keys?? ;D ;)
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well, what can i say... ;)
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And there all realy nice mogs in there own ways!
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Just getting one would be a start for me. A mog and a G wagon at the same time is just a dream and to have more than one of each, well that's just greedy! ::)
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You would say that, u ave more mogs than the rest of us put together lol :P I hope mine might b worth a bit after i've finished
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screw splitters split more than hydrolic splitters as they work around knots, not through them ;) and theyre faster.
and having a mog is better than having money in the bank as far as we're concerned, they are always going up in value, especially the older more compact models.
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I'm very tempted to get one but I've decided that this saw bench needs to be my last purchase for a while.
Our car broke not all that long ago and we needed to buy a new one. I put all my mog savings into it and we still needed to borrow a bit. My other half has now said that when the car loan is sorted (hopefully the middle of summer if I can pile everything I have to spare into it) we can then look into investing in a mog!
The way I see it, the way the prices have gone up recently even allowing for the recession, when we come out of it they're probably going to rocket? So I may just take out a small loan to buy one before that happens. I don't like borrowing money but sometimes when prices seem to be climbing like they have recently it's a cheaper option than saving!
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The estate bought there's through eBay. Think it was about £450 a few years back. I recon screws spilt as much as hydraulic splitters
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back in the day when we did logs we were gonna build one of them, theyre really simple :)
And we have a screw splitter, a hydrocrack, we have what was back then the big one, but they might do bigger now.
http://www.hycrack.co.uk/
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The screw splitters are great coz there simple, but they can spin the l :Dogs. There also great on hard wood bit there a bit of a pin in willows as the fibers hold it together. I like my toys to so I think i'll try finding a saw bench now ;D :D
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Brian, that thing's insane! :o
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To a point I just like my toys. For personal use I get through about 18m3 per winter so not a massive amount. When I get surplus I sell it so I can get through up to maybe 50m3 per year. I still split all my wood with an axe - a nice Gransfors maul. I want a screw splitter too but if I keep buying these little affordable treats I'll never save up enough to buy a mog!
It's got a chain that hangs down on the far side of the blade so you know where to cut. I'm sure that could be replaced with a stop bar if needed, but a chain is probably going to be a good enough guide?
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looks tidy :) and simple as well, so easy to fix if it goes wrong. :)
can you get them with bars to set a fixed lengh?
and personally this is my favourite splitter :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BjOUk3Hh-1M
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I guess you do a fair bit of logging for you boiler then? Do you split as well? How do you go about sharpening the blade? the one thing I hate about logging is bending over all the time. At 6'2 it can be a long way down lol :D
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They come in at just over £1k new, not sure if that's including vat or not. I just paid £750 for mine used but it still has all it's paint so hasn't done much.
This one is made in Italy and imported by Riko UK. There are a few makes out there, some with screw or hydraulic splitters built in too and the top of the range also have a conveyor so you can feed what you've cut and split straight into the bed of your pickup or a trailer.
With a big engine like a mog it'll cut even faster than it does in the video. You can hear the tractor engine strain a little which allows the blade to slow. Keep them running flat out and they fly through the wood like a hot knife through butter.
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That looks like a really good piece of kit. What do they cost?
Tim.
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Ok its rather quick cutting larger timber lol. I guess on a mog u could run on 1000pto and run the mog at 1000 engine speed. It would use very little diesel ad well :) I might look into one.....
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To run a decent powered chainsaw all day on fuel and oil works out quite expensive, very noisy and I find it uncomfortable after a couple of hours. You've got the issue of small timber snatching on the chain too. Along with all the stops you have to make to refuel so often and sharpening/chain wear it can be a pain.
With a bench you can run all day on a tank of red, which in my little Kubota costs about £3 as it's only 600cc - 12.5hp. No fuss, just pick up a log and run it through. The timber loss to sawdust if you do a lot is greatly reduced and the blades stay sharp for months not hours. Add to that the relatively short life span of a high revving two stroke engine and the bench comes out a winner every time. A mog would run one easily just ticking over so it's quiet in comparison.
If you get a chance to watch one running or use one try it. You'll be pleasantly surprised by their simplicity I think. Here's a video of the one I've bought working...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00-y8f-SAXI&list=UUdwsN1hLj5Sif_sePfmnI-g&index=10
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Yeah it looks good :). I bought a Chinese chipper and i dont think ur saw would look as stupid as my little Chipper did ;D.
Did you not fancy logging with a chainsaw? Thats thw only way i do it but thats what i'm used to :-[
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After playing with my old cast iron saw bench and giving up on the idea of it ever being made light enough for my little tractor to lift I've bought a new health and safety happy model. It looks great to go on my sub compact, but I'm worried it'll look a bit silly hanging from the front of a huge great mog! What do you guys think?