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General Topics Forums => Non Unimog Chat => Topic started by: Villager on March 20, 2013, 08:30:57 pm
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That would be fine for me. I always bring the stuff home in it's raw state and process it here. Split logs take up more space in the truck than cord.
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As I understand it the transport of logs etc is dependant on what stage they are in, for example if you are hauling logs or rounds to split at home, then that is part of the arbourist/agricultural process and allowed to use red, but if the logs are split, ie in the finished state then it becomes haulage and requires white.
This was the view of a customs officer I asked about it, though it was his view and cannot be relied on as the definitive answer.
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7000 litres a day?! :o I wouldn't want his fuel bill! I suppose running large harvesting kit and hauling the produce that's easily possible though - it just shows what sort of scale modern farming runs at.
My problem is that we run our house almost completely on wood in the winter. After my day in the woods I would like to carry a load of logs home, and that it seems is where the trouble starts? If I was to deliver split loads to a customer, well that just makes it worse still. My only chance is that between the woods I will be working and home there are no places for VOSA to set up camp. Luckily I don't think they would bother as it's not a busy route. I've certainly never seen anyone up until now.
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NJC,
If your going to use your mog when you get to your worksite that's ok in my interpretation of the regs or if your travelling back home, the fact that your towing a trailer as well with a piece of equipment on is immaterial as you cannot move a load of soil / woodchip / use the winch around a worksite without your mog, that's why I justify taking it there. As for privately owned woods, well their owned by farmers around here so surely your farming when you go in them!
I know if I was to do an emergency stop I'd rather have a unimog right behind me at 50mph than a transit tipper fully loaded with a tacho and trailer, as I'm sure I'd soon be wearing the tranny in the rear door where as the unimog is built for dealing with speed and towing, and I'm not aware of anyone getting pulled and checked around here for diesel or class of vehicle, and as farmers are the most compliant people in industry, their bought up with taxing vehicles, following the rules, it's not really worth taking the time to check out what fuel their using. I have a friend who worked on a farm and they got through 7000 litres a day of red in harvest, and they never got checked out.
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i dont think so if you get one thats early enough, but i'll have to ask dad to make sure
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Tricky ground! Do you have to make any adjustments so a U900 can be registered as a 7.5t truck? I'm thinking under body guards to stop people from getting trapped under it etc?
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Can you register as a tractor but run on white if hauling?
still got to get around the tax, mot etc
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The whole Unimog/tractor thing is a mare! What bugs me is that however you register you get limited one way or another. If you use red you can't haul goods. If you register as a lorry you can't have traces of red in the tank. Even if you've been using it as an off road power unit or a chipper or to haul timber from a private wood you're limited to white. It's certainly a tough one.
Can you register as a tractor but run on white if hauling?
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I'd recommend you look on the HMRC website when your running a tractor, they have lots of guidelines on Red, and it's worth knowing what you can do on it, for instance you cannot tow a trailer for haulage of goods on it, this was used around our area to stop JCB fastracs hauling stone around and putting lorries out of business, they were also over the 24 ish tonne Gross vehicle train weight for tractors and trailers, so it stopped pretty quickly.
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no idea 4000 kg rule. but weve never been asked when we take it to the post office so weve never had to have a reason :)
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. . . . its also mot exempt for some reason, maybe its to do with it being historic vehicle
I was looking at a 404 Radio Body and the current owner says it is MOT exempt under the Historic vehicle weighing more than 4000kg rule. I have looked and cannot find any such rule. When you apply for a tax disc, which you need even if the vehicle is tax exempt, you need to put the reason it is MOT exempt - if it is. Do you know, or can you find out, what rule you used?
Ian
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yeah, im gonna go straight for my hgv, i dont see the point in forking out for a trailer test when you can put it all towards hgv ??? :-\
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They usually refer to the maximum gross weight I think, so driving it as anything other than a tractor could cause problems because of that. Still, I plan to do my C+E test soon anyway because it gives you B+E automatically and I tow a lot.
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depends, when its driven as an every day car you could say its just a car or pickup. i think there would only be a problem if you had goods on it or a heavy load.
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I guess the only stumbling block that leaves for you and me is when it's being driven as a truck rather than ag you and me would need a 7.5t addition to our license. If run as a tractor we wouldn't. I think that changed in '97 - the year I passed my test! ::)
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yep :) but we tend to run the black one on white most of the time as they run better on it, tip for when you run on red a lot is to stick some white through it every now and then, its amazing how much it cleans the system out, you can feel the power difference as well. and we run on the really good red diesel as well, we went to the processor and everything to see it being dyed. its also mot exempt for some reason, maybe its to do with it being historic vehicle, we couldnt believe it so we asked the post office and dvla and they said yes.
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Sounds spot on. So when carrying goods it's run on white and all is good, then working in the woods or topping you can fill it with red? I need a pre '74 mog!
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yeah, its registered as a historic vehicle, but the guy at the dvla said if youre using it for agricultural purposes then you follow the same rules. if anything its better than having it registered as a tractor cause you just follow the rules of what youre using it for at the time.
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If it's taxed as a historic vehicle does that mean it's registered as such? Or is it still Ag?
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no idea, i first read about it on another forum. im pretty sure its just a one of thing, and i assume it follows the same rules as it always has regarding classic commercials, so it would be tax free, our black mogs taxed as a historic vehicle as its '72 and its tax free.
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That's a nice addition for all the old classic car owners out there. Is it going to carry over every year like it used to again or is this just a one off effort? Does it count for commercials or just private vehicles (ie would a pre '74 mog registered as a truck rather than a tractor be exempt too)?
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The Government has extended the cut-off date for road tax exemption, for classic cars, by one year. From 1 April 2014 vehicles manufactured before 1 January 1974 will be exempt from paying road tax.
Also, In order to reduce administration costs, SORN - Statutory Off Road Notifications - will now last indefinitely and not require renewing every year. The grace period for not displaying a tax disc, once you have paid for it, has additionally been extended to 14 days.
Think the telegraph needs to check its facts over first though! :D ;D :o ;)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/classiccars/9943381/Budget-2013-Classic-car-VED-exemption-extended-to-1974.html