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Hello New Members => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: IanRubie on April 08, 2013, 05:38:05 pm
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That would be great, I'd love to see it. As good as it is to see a Pinz off road, they've got nothing on a Mog!
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nah, mogs just keep crawling on :P you can drive them pretty had though :)
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My Cruiser had a full set of lockers and sat on 37" tyres. Usually a bit of momentum or a blip of throttle would get it up most hills and through most mud holes.
I am curious to see if increased ground clearance and lower gearing will be better for the sort of thing I do. Certainly a quick blip of throttle to fire it up the last bit of the climb will no longer be an option with a 404.
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Ground clearance is the thing that beats most vehicles, that and the cross axle difflocks, but i know cruisers can have lockers. axle articulation on most mogs is pretty awesome as well if everythings mounted properly. dad lifted the rear wheel on the crew cab with a fork lift once, it lifted 3 feet until another wheel lifted, and thats a crew cab 406, which arent very well mounted for chassis flex :)
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A 6x6 Pinz or a Volvo C304 is on my list of vehicles I need to own at some stage.
I am really curious to see how my 404 goes off road compared to my old Land Cruiser. The Cruiser was heavily modified and could do most things I asked of it.
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Pinzgauers are good at high speed Offroad, but Unimogs are better at slow stuff due to the independent suspension on a Pinz, pinzgauer is a good machine though :)
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The AWDC hold a drive round most months, check their site for details. The last "Heavies" day I went to was disappointing. The only unusual 4x4 there was a Pinzgauer.
It is going to take me a couple of weeks to get my new purchase up together but I'll let you know when I am heading off there in it.
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I must get myself to one of those at some point. I've never seen a 404 in the flesh that I can remember.
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Yes I have seen that U1000 at several events. Core was a nice little site, I did not know it had closed. Luckily I live within walking distance of Slab, Hogmoor and Broxhead which are areas the MOD train on and various 4x4 clubs use about once a month.
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Excellent!
I've only just put two and two together and come up with this, but I went down near Portsmouth a couple of years back to meet some guys with Unimogs. We went to Core 4x4 near Chichester - sadly a search of their website shows that they have closed due to loss of the venue and I'm not sure if they've found a new site?
Did you ever spot Tom driving around your area? Black U1000 with big Jack Daniels stickers on the doors? If you'd seen it, you wouldn't forget it!
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Transport is booked, it is due to arrive with me this evening 8)
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I suppose a good health check before driving it is as good an excuse as any. It could cause no end of damage lugging it that far if something isn't right.
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tbh weve noticed that weight doesnt seem to bother the 411, its slow anyway, so cant get any slower! :D but it really doesnt seem to make any difference if its got weight on it or not :)
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Guess so. Check YouTube for a mog towing a mog lol, just not sure ur 411 would hack it ;)
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Just have a decent 4x4 for a tow if its needed :)
so another Unimog ;) ;D
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Bugger it drop the engine oil and driv :-[e :-X it! Just have a decent 4x4 for a tow if its needed :)
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404's longer wheel base mate, it depends what the bodys made from :-\
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A 406 weights 3.5t curb weight so i would have thought a 404 would b lighter. Brian would I b right on saying its about the same size as ur camper back??
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yeah, i highly doubt it'll weigh more that that.
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That would be the easy option but it is not insured. I am telling transport companies that my best guess is 3800kg.
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oh yeah, sorry, havent woken up yet :D
500kg, might be all right if theres nothing in it, can the guy not weigh it?
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If the gross weight is 4400kg and the payload 1400kg it means, what I assume is the open back, weighs 3000kg. The payload of most 7.5 tonne recovery trucks is about 3500kg, that means the box has to weigh less than 500kg which is borderline.
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i cant imagine the body weighing more than 1.4 tonnes? ??? :P
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I assume that payload is for the open back version. I have done much searching but have been unable to find out how much the radio box weighs.
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Oh, so it's the gross weight :) well the gross weight of a 404 is 4.4 tonnes, and the pay load is 1.4 tonnes I believe :) hopefully that helps. You're right, I wouldn't risk driving it without knowing oil conditions :P
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Yeh yeh I know. I have weighed up both driving it and getting transported. I have no idea how old the oils are so would rather transport it and then change everything when it gets home. Plus, if things do go wrong, I have discovered that my AA cover is only up to 3.5 tonnes.
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Get and drive the thing home... Big girl! I did Gloucester to Portsmouth in my Defender, which should mean that the super superior Unimog will make it no problem! :P
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I did not realise that most 7.5 tonne recovery trucks can only carry about 3.5 tonnes. At least that is what transport companies are telling me.
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good news! :D a pretty mog isnt always a good one, mutton dressed as lamb and all that. 7.5 kilos will be fine, 404 gross weight is 4.4 tonnes anyway :) put some pics up when you get it, or a build thread, i'm doing one on the truck now :P
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Well I've finally bought a 404. She is a 1967 Radio Body, rough around edges but from my limited knowledge seems mechanically sound.
I have not actually got her home yet, she is in Bristol and I am just north of Portsmouth. Call me a chicken but I don't fancy 120 miles of motorway and A roads for my first real drive.
Does anyone happen to know the weight of a 404 radio body without any of the radio gear in? My guestimates are right around the limit of a 7.5 tonne recovery truck. Moving up to a 14 tonne truck increases the transport cost dramatically.
Cheers
Ian
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thread continued here http://www.unimogclubuk.com/none-unimog-chat/for-those-who-are-blinkered/
so unless you are saying hello to Ian, please do not reply here! :)
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actually the u900 could have a live pto, (our black one does, 1972) and that was out BEFORE the agri-rover, just cause yours doesnt have one doesnt mean they didnt have them ;)
and i'll rephrase that, they didnt have cross axle difflocks... :)
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the axles were ok it was the chain inside them that snapped ( why a chain anyway?!!?!?!?) as most people took them off road rather than worked them. diff lock was off a standard 110.
It did have a live PTO though. even mogs then didn't have that ;D
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yeah, but the agri-rover was damn ugly, the axles also werent very strong, (one of the reasons there werent many), nor did it have difflocks, axle articulation, flexible chassis. made from toffee metal. plus, you show me a linkage set up that was ever put on an agri-rover, and was strong enough to lift a chipper.
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just to throw a spanner into the works (ooo I do enjoy putting spanner in the work lol) you can still get modern defenders with PTO on but mainly for hydraulic packs. there once was a defender with portals and live pto called an agri-rover(?!) with the 200tdi engine in producing around 60hp. was powerful enough to power a chipper ;D
MOG 1 - DEFENDER 1 :D :P
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yeah we did, a 6" schliesing chipper, but the spout kept blocking as it couldnt keep the speed up
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I think the series 2 2.25 engine produced around 70bhp? Not sure how much of that was available through the PTO mind? I think the main issue with big kit would be carrying it - it would be far too easy to over load an axle by mounting stuff on the front/back.
Have you ever tried to run a chipper with your 411 Brian?
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definitely, they wouldnt have the power for one thing :)
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Of a light design yes. Apparently only for winches, pumps etc though. They couldn't run a chipper or anything large
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early landrovers could have pto's ;)
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I need a moment to think about this. I'm going to struggle to win this one I think... :D
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dad was a landrover man originally, but he wasnt fixed on them, he had stuff like toyotas and nissans as well, but then he bought a mog, and eventually more. then a g wagon, then more g wagons ;)
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I started off roading with a series 3 LR, I then moved onto a couple of classic RR. At the time I had the view of most LR owners, best 4x4xfar and all that stuff. It slowly dawned on me that during most of the more extreme stuff I was doing the car that was rescuing me was a Land Cruiser, the car towing my broken LR home was a LC. I asked the owner of the LC what maintenance he did between trips, pointed a jet wash at it was the reply. The LC simply refused to break and with the triple diff locks, standard on UK spec 80 series, it got places my RR never could.
I was converted to LC ownership and now I'm the one towing my mates in their broken and stuck LRs. I love the styling of most LR products but I really wish they would build them properly and use better quality components for the simple stuff like electrical connectors.
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can your standard landrover do the following?
these are based on different mogs, figures might be higher or lower depending on model
pull 2000 tons along railway tracks
pull 40 tonnes along the road
drive a 800mm wood chipper
drive a 10' flail
lift the front wheel more than 3 foot
fit a 55 ton meter crane on the back
be able to go slow enough that you cant see the wheels move.
have cross axle diff locks, portal axles, etc.
your landrover might be cheap, but mogs are expensive for a reason ;)
please they dont loose money like no bodies business
i wouldnt compare landrovers to mogs, but if landrover owners werent so belligerent i wouldnt have to :)
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I don't think you can really compare a landy, or any other regular vehicle for that matter, to a Unimog. That's just not fair. You can buy four new Defenders/Land Cruisers for the price of a new Unimog!
I have to confess to not having any experience of Land Cruisers to base a sensible comment on. I always buy pickups and the Hilux is a lot of money. I've heard that the new ones aren't as good as their reputation. The old ones certainly take some beating I know.
At the end of the day though, landy's are better. ;)
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one my dad came up with years ago:
When it over, in your Rover. do the job, in a Unimog.
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How about my old favourite, being a Land Cruiser fan "If you want to go to the Sahara take a Land Rover, if you want to come back take a Toyota.". I guess if I buy a 404 I will have to change it to " . . . if you want to eventually get back take a 404." :D
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Might make it my forum signature ;D
We have an l200 raging bull, we're very impressed with it, and merc actually own Mitsubishi so there are a lot of similarities with switches and interior stuff. the only thing we find is its soulless, completely bland, its the really fast one so you would expect it to be fun to drive, but ive been a passenger in it plenty of times when dads driving fast and its so boring :-\ and theirs already that many gadgets, that you cant add to it, when i get a car i like to play around with things, like fitting sound systems and stuff, but its just not possible with that.
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I feel I should make some additions to this landy bashing thread! I've owned a mixture of L200's and Defenders and I have to say the Defenders have generally been less troublesome (less comfortable too I should add) than the jap kit. In all the miles I've done in a Defender I've only broken down once and I use my vehicles pretty hard. I won't even take my current truck (Ranger) into half the places I'd take the landy.
Only 25% make it home... Wash your mouths out with soap the pair of you! :D
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it is a lot beter now than when you got it :)
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I was just saying.... lol. To be fair if its got an engine on it, it will at some point, break down lol
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thats because the guy who bought his mog of the scotish council made an agreement to scrap it. couple of months later it had been sold to casto here. so im afraid casto, thats no argument ;) our mogs very rarely brake down :)
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I suddenly don't want a Mog if that is the case :'(
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Mogs broken down more than my landy ;D :P
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I am also a great fan of the "75% of Land Rovers ever made are still on the road" statistic. They always seem to miss the last half of the quote off though "the other 25% made it home" ;D
DAY=MADE! :D
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I am also a great fan of the "75% of Land Rovers ever made are still on the road" statistic. They always seem to miss the last half of the quote off though "the other 25% made it home" ;D
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In the spirit of a bit of banter, 3 of us headed off on a drive down to the Sahara in Libya. This was before the trouble. There were 2 80 series cruisers and a LR 110. The 110 driver wanted to take France a bit slower than we were planning to in the cruisers so set off a few days before us. The plan was to meet at a hotel just outside Marseille the day before the Mediterranean ferry crossing.
Well his car broke down on the way to Dover but was fixed, it then broke down again just inside France but was fixed again, it then did it a third time just outside Paris and had to be recovered back to UK. His holiday was over before we had even left home. Needless to say the 2 Land Cruisers performed faultlessly for the whole trip. We did bring him back a plastic water bottle full of sand as a memento ;D
Ian
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My truck is awesome ;D
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actually might make the words landrover and defender censored on here :D ;D
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i'm a defender man my self and love mine to bits ;D
Blinkered...
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Welcome aboard Ian.
Hope you enjoy the banter and info strewn around the site.
I've only ever seen one kitted land cruiser and it looked good. i'm a defender man my self and love mine to bits ;D
Casto
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Welcome to the forum Ian.
It sounds like you're in the perfect place for mog ownership - near to a 4x4 venue that don't mind kit this big rutting the place up! I'm not sure if there is anywhere like that local to me, although like you I'm looking into mog ownership and don't actually have one yet. I want a 406 so I can use it for work and play.
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dad and myself got fed up with people saying there should be a site, so in the end i took it into my own hands ;) :D
we're in the leeds region, but we're no where near any off road sites :( but we're willing to travel a fair distance to have a play with the mogs ;D
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Hi Brian,
Thanks for the welcome and getting the site up and running.
The plan is for it to be an off road toy. I am lucky enough to live within a few miles of land used by the MOD for driver training. Various 4x4 clubs get onto the land so there is plenty of space to play.
Ian
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Hi Ian,
welcome to the club :)
good machine the land cruiser, robust and plenty of them abroad 8)
The 404 is a good chassis, but needs some modification to be as good as some mogs off road, they were built to be squady proof, so the suspension and stuff is stiff, so not very flexible, but once thats sorted theyre a very capable vehicle :) a good chassis for a hobby mog as well. what are you planning to do with it?
and trust me, once you scratch that itch, the itch will spread ;)
any questions, just ask :P
Cheers, Brian
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Hi,
Good to see a UK based forum. I hope it goes from strength to strength.
I don't have a Unimog at the moment but am hoping to get my first one in the next few months. It will be a 404 of some type.
My recent 4x4 history has been a string of 80 series Land Cruisers ranging from a battered but very capable off road toy to a nice tidy overland vehicle.
I don't know why I want a 404, it is just an itch that needs to be scratched..
Ian