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Re: Evolution of my 1967 404 Radio Body
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2013, 01:22:41 pm »
Thanks.  I did not do much really, just total faith the 80 would hold together combined with zero mechanical sympathy.  I just sat there and steered the thing  :D

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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2013, 07:54:42 pm »
You're the only one who's ever made it up there - you could at least tart up your story a little and grab some credit for your exceptional driving skills! ;) :D

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Re: Evolution of my 1967 404 Radio Body
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2013, 08:10:05 pm »
the relative lack of power did not seem to be a problem.



I'm still hearing the tune of an m130 engine coming on!  8) :D
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2013, 07:23:38 am »
You're the only one who's ever made it up there - you could at least tart up your story a little and grab some credit for your exceptional driving skills! ;) :D
Not the only one, the first one ;)  I am not big on tarting up stories, having it named after me was quite enough.

I'm still hearing the tune of an m130 engine coming on!  8) :D
I currently don't feel the need, it is an occasional toy.  The money would be better spent on a winch or a roll cage or some decent seats and belts or  ... or ...


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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2013, 07:54:31 am »
I'm still hearing the tune of an m130 engine coming on!  8) :D
... seats and belts or  ... or ...



An M130 engine... ;)
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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2013, 09:33:41 am »
An M130 engine... ;)
No, no and once again no.  Having said that the next off road event it is going to will be sand, that might show the need for more power. 

I have not seen any M130s for sale in the UK but in the US they seem to be $2k upwards plus the "fun" of fitting them.  Would the money not be better off going towards other equipment or even a 406 with hydraulics (bearing in mind it is an off road toy that spends very little time on road)?

 

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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2013, 10:47:23 am »
A 406 beats a 404 every time for me. But then I'm looking at it from a work point of view so I don't know which would be better for off roading?

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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2013, 11:30:08 am »
Probably true for most things except cost, which is why I ended up with a 404  :D

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« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2013, 11:34:07 am »
If a 404 would do what I need it to do I'd have one by now! I'm still determined though... I'll get one eventually! I'm still young, or at least not too old!

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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2013, 11:20:29 pm »
404's are cheap, and parts are easy to get, which is great for off roading. however i personally think the 406/416 is a better vehicle off road, especially the 416, more power ;) , and i believe the 416's flex more, if you ever see a well set up 406/416 off roading you'll be amazed how well they travel, follow the land like nobodies business. the factory have said in the past though that the ultimate off road chassis is the 1550 chassis.
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« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2013, 12:04:29 pm »
My new rear springs have arrived.  They have a free length of 410mm and a rate of 30.2mm / 100kg (if my maths is correct in converting 185 lb/inch).  The existing rear springs, I have already removed the helper springs, are 350mm free length and 16.7mm / 100kg.  I don't know what the sprung weight of the back end is,  I am going to try and calculate it by measuring how much the springs are compressed compared to their free length.  When I had it on a weigh bridge the back axle was 760kg.

Gut feeling says it will sit a bit higher but will be much easier to flex.

Hope to get them fitted this weekend.

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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2013, 07:57:25 pm »
Any news on this Ian?
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« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2013, 08:21:01 pm »
The standard suspension on the Mog is designed to cope with the weight of the radio box so is quite stiff.  Now my radio box is no longer there I need to find a way to help the suspension flex.  My initial solution was to remove the rear inner helper springs and put a load of ballast in a box at the very rear of the chassis.  While this certainly helped it did seem to make the rear prone to sliding on side slopes.  I am guessing having 150kg of weight trying to head down hill will have that effect  :lol: 

I needed a plan B and decided to swap the springs.  My goals for the swap were to give it a slight lift (I have some 39" tractor tyres sitting in the garage  ;)  ) and also make it much easier to flex the suspension.

First task was to remove the rear springs.  Very easy to do, they are secured top and bottom with loads of access.  I did not even have to remove the wheels, just removed the clamps, removed the top damper mount and jacked up the chassis until the spring came free.

Old spring against new



Popped the new spring in, refitted the clamps and lowered the chassis.  Left the damper off at this stage.

Next stage was to remove the front springs.  Same principle but this time I had to remove the wheel for access to the top clamp.

Old front spring (short) against old rear spring (long)



It was harder to get the "new" springs onto the front and I had to resort to using a pair of spring compressors.  Easy from then on.

Now comes a bit of a health and safety nightmare.  I wanted to see how much flex I now had but don't have a big ramp to drive up.  Resorted to piling a load of weight onto a rear corner and jacking up the opposite front corner.  Problem one, my jack does not go high enough.  Solution (close your eyes if you are of a nervous disposition) was to balance an axle stand on the jack and then jack it up.  The reason for this test was to work out what I had to do with the damper mounts (remember the dampers are still disconnected).  Here is the resulting walk round.



The results showed me that I need to drop the rear damper top mounts by 3.75".  I have made some plates to this but don't have any pictures at the moment.

For those interested in figures, with the old springs from the ground to the centre of the wheel arch was front 1110mm and rear 1120mm.  With the new spring arrangement it is front 1155mm and rear 1155mm.  So the front has gone up slightly more than the rear but nothing too bad.

Using spring rates and free \ fitted measurements I have worked out that each front spring is holding just over 500kg and each rear spring about 240kg.

I am going to an off road event next weekend so will see how it now performs.
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Re: Evolution of my 1967 404 Radio Body
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2013, 08:55:08 pm »
looking good! time to get those tyres on ;)

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Re: Evolution of my 1967 404 Radio Body
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2013, 09:16:56 pm »
how much would you want for the 404 front springs? we're thinking of them for the 416. Pm me if you want :)
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