Unimog Club UK

Quick brian where's the delete button!!! 

So far as I know, yes u can run a mog set up like mine on red. U can run it on red with implements on ie chipper, flail mower, plough ect. Once u add chip into the chip box and drive it on the road ur hauling so would need everything covering a wagon ie road tax, white diesel and licence if gross over 7.5t. Think it changes if u say its for personal but u would ave to prove it which is whete they will get u. Way round it is put chip and wood in a trailer  it solves the problems and can run on red 

i'll get back to you on this one when the moose is free.

As far as im aware, with logs you cant sell them of the back of a mog registered as a tractor and running on red, but if your selling them of a trailer on the back of a mog registered as a tractor and running on red then your perfectly fine... how ridiculous is that.
Everybody puts chip in the back though, youd need to have a really clued up police officer to know, its vosa that will get you. as long as youre taking it back to your yard, i dont think they can do anything. but dont call it waste, rubbish etc cause then you have to have a waste handlers license, and dont go dropping it of at a mates, cause thats still haulage.
its the same with these tractors you see that have great 360 diggers on low loaders attached to the back, hire and reward. and when you get contrators running as a tractor hauling cow turds from one location to another, again its still haulage, its such a grey area, very few people know about it.

well he's a rare rozzer, most of them dont have a clue, although i have heard rumors that theyre getting training now. if its personal use your fine. and i dont blame him for pulling tractors with diggers on, truck drivers with diggers on the back pay there dues, why shouldnt tractor drivers?

moose says this is what he THINKS the rules are:

You can take the load back to your yard, tip it on the floor, then sell it from the premises.
you can not, take it back to the yard, tip it of, then load it back on to the mog and deliver it. or deliver straight to the customer.
basically if you want to make deliveries by a pickup 
regarding the delivery on a trailer hes not sure but thinks you can, but its a very grey area. 

I'm pretty sure it's not haulage if you're moving your own stuff from one part of your ground to another. It's when you move something for someone else it becomes a problem. I'm thinking logs for my burner wouldn't be an issue but chip might be because I'm charging to remove it. Maybe I could invoice to say the job cost more than I quoted then purchase the chip from them (discounting down to the agreed price) for my own use?!

I've never been stopped to check my diesel etc in my life, but I'm sure if I got a mog and did it wrong I soon would!

I've spent the last hour reading VOSA and DVLA documents and it seems farmers are ok to do pretty much whatever they want. They can haul building materials as long as it's for use on their property and they can transport their stock to market or waste to a disposal facility. Contractors can also haul goods from one part of a farm to another as long as it's for the same land owner and and the materials being hauled are either needed for the job they're doing (ie muck spreading) or are the product of the work going back to another part of the land for the same land owner (ie bales, grain etc).

Red diesel cannot be used in an agricultural tractor used for tree surgery or mowing unless the trees/verges are bordering public roads or are on land designated as forestry. So going to someones garden to cut their tree down or cut their lawn (and possibly paddock, not sure) is excluded unless the vehicle to be used on the property is trailered to the site and isn't used on the road, ie compact tractor mower, digger etc.

Whether the vehicle needs to be taxed other than agricultural I'm not sure. But it looks like the use of red is a no go for me, even when on site in domestic cases.

Towed machine is different, you're not actually driving it on the road - it's not a vehicle.

I'm not sure if paddocks are agricultural? I guess they should be, but then does a horse count as livestock or a domestic pet? I have no idea!

I did read somewhere that an operators license isn't required for machines that are fitted with implements. That can be as little as a winch on the bumper!

It is tempting to just load up with cherry and crack on. The number of police there are around the lanes here I'd pay more in white diesel costs than I would in fines, but that's not really the way to go. You've only got to get caught once and you've educated a whole load of them and spoiled it for everyone.

There are a lot of arb folk who just can't be doing with mogs and I'm beginning to see why. I think I'm going to sit and try to work out how much it would cost to run one as a 7.5t truck, but something tells me that isn't going to be cheap! It's not the fuel that's the issue - I can see tax and insurance being a real killer.