Unable to load photo




Author Topic: Running on red diesel and license questions  (Read 7743 times)

Offline

  • Mog God
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,314
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile

  • Total Badges: 23
Re: Running on red diesel and license questions
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2013, 10:31:23 pm »
I don't get why a tractor can't be used to carry goods? How much stuff can you actually get in the average tractor?! If they were to place these rules just on trailers over a certain weight that would do for the hauliers without messing the small time traders about.

It sounds like if I put as much as a bag of compost in one I'm breaking the law even running on white. On a positive note though initial looks at running a 7.5t truck doesn't look as scary as I'd imagined. A few quid more than a 3.5t pickup in fact.

So the tacho is the next thing to read up on? Great! ::)

Offline

  • Mog Guru
  • *****
  • Posts: 895
  • Gender: Male
  • Mog wannabe
    • View Profile
  • My Vehicles: land rover 110 ;) , a beautifully shaped u900 with an ugly roof, massy 698T and good old little grey fergy

  • Total Badges: 26
Re: Running on red diesel and license questions
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2013, 10:45:36 pm »
It's all stupid. And not easy to follow. Oh and farmers could register an artic as agricultural and run on red if they carry from field to farm.
Yeah I'd look into tacho's but I'm not sure on there details as i dont have anything to do with tacho's lol
cant beat the smell of diesel and 2stroke in the morning :)

Offline

  • Administrator
  • Mog God
  • ***********
  • Posts: 1,798
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
    • Metalbybrian
  • Location: Harrogate, Yaaaarkshire
  • My Vehicles: Dad and I; u900 406 145, u1100 416 141, u411 118, u600 421, rokon, 2x lada nivas, plus more
  • Real name: Brian

  • Total Badges: 33
Re: Running on red diesel and license questions
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2013, 11:09:56 pm »
This is why so many people just got rid of there mogs coz its a mine field :(

This is not just to do with mogs, it covers tractors in general, a unimog is classed as a tractor, and this subject covers tractors, it doesnt matter weather you get a grey furgy, A massive fendt, or a unimog, these rules still apply.
Infact if anything mogs are better than tractors as they meet construction and use, so they are able to pass an mot if they had to, and in theory can even drive up and down the motorway, although that again is a grey area. so compared with your average tractor a unimog is a rolls royce. Unimogs also do get more leeway from police and vosa, due to the fact that they dont really understand what it is, dwe got pulled up once and were running on red, and the guy just said to get going because unimogs were that much of a complicated topic he couldnt be bothered with it.

the way we were told by a man who was actually a professional in this subject years ago (unfortunately he died  :( ) as long as the product in the vehicle isnt classed as goods, so your not delivering it to a customer (just taking it back to the yard), then you are perfectly fine.

We ran red for years, and were never done, either cause we were in the right or by chance, i dont know.
Quote
"If we ever send a man to the sun, were gonna have to go at night!"
my YouTube channel: Metalbybrian

Offline

  • Mog God
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,314
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile

  • Total Badges: 23
Re: Running on red diesel and license questions
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2013, 09:24:29 am »
That makes sense really. The trouble with all these laws are that they are to some degree open to interpretation by the man you meet on the day. If you get a friendly fella who just wants to do an honest days work then you're most likely fine, but stumble across a little weed on a power trip and you've had it. They'll find something if it takes them all day!

For motorway use I suppose you should be registered as a light truck rather than a tractor? When I get one maybe I should put it through a mock MOT? For my own peace of mind for one, but in another way it could tell me how much it's likely to cost to run as an LGV.

I'm starting to think that way because for a few hundred quid a year it's going to give peace of mind when I'm taking a load of gravel to do a customers drive.

Offline

  • Mog Guru
  • *****
  • Posts: 895
  • Gender: Male
  • Mog wannabe
    • View Profile
  • My Vehicles: land rover 110 ;) , a beautifully shaped u900 with an ugly roof, massy 698T and good old little grey fergy

  • Total Badges: 26
Re: Running on red diesel and license questions
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2013, 10:17:20 am »
A lot of people close there eye because of all the rules. if they want you they will have you :(. Technically you could take a mog on a motorway as they are able to go over the 27mph mini speed on the motorway, and has air brakes.
cant beat the smell of diesel and 2stroke in the morning :)

Offline

  • Mog Boss
  • ***
  • Posts: 121
  • Mog wannabe
    • View Profile

  • Total Badges: 18
Re: Running on red diesel and license questions
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2013, 03:35:34 pm »
Go here
https://www.dvla.gov.uk/dvla/forms/onlineleaflets.aspx
and click on V355/1 this is near the bottom of the page.

Once you have downloaded the form read section 11 and 11.1 on page 7 which gives details of the taxation class and limitations of use.

There is no minimum speed limit on UK motorways but you can be charged with dangerous driving if you are driving to slow which can cause a hazard to other drivers.

When I bought my 406 from London and headed for the M25, I realised that I had made a huge mistake. When I gave the vehicle full throttle in top gear I was only able to achieve 40mph according to my sat nav (very worn throttle linkage which is now fixed) I had artics shooting past me like I was stood still and I couldn't wait to get to the first exit to get off. I also believe that a tractor according to the info above should not be used on the motorway at all.

Make sure that if you are on the road that you are using your vehicle for one of the reasons listed. If not the hand of the law will come down on you.

I hope this helps.

Offline

  • Mog God
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,314
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile

  • Total Badges: 23
Re: Running on red diesel and license questions
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2013, 05:38:47 pm »
Thank you for the link. I'll have a look at that later on when I'm not up and down cooking dinner.

The law coming down on me is just what I'm worried about. Even in cases like this, not being in the know is no excuse. I personally feel that's a bit harsh, but it is what it is. We all know the government doesn't like being diddled out of their (our) money. I just wish there was some give and take - if I pay my tax bill a day late I get fined £100, but if I get a rebate it should turn up at some point in the next couple of weeks but if it doesn't you can ring them and they'll look into it for you. A perfect example of double standards in my mind!

Most of the use I have for the vehicle is off road, about 90% I'd say. But I think the fact that I want to now and again move a load of gravel or sand for my landscaping jobs wipes out the chance of using it as a tractor. What I have to sit and work out is whether it's worth running it as a LGV so I can do that or whether it would be cheaper to keep my pickup and have the mog as agri. If I run it as a lorry then it's no red, ever. Running it in the woods for a week on white isn't cheap or fair!