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so many questions....
« on: February 01, 2014, 12:47:55 pm »

Hello,
My real name is steve and i have not got a unimog as i am at the beginning end of unimogs...

Me and the wife are going to do several stints to various (mostly)European countries, Portugal,Spain,Norway,Iceland but begin here in good old blighty. I have a poor understanding of mechanics, but i am learning well enough on my 26 year old landrover(no abuse thanks lol). It dawned on me that i dont really want to be doing "field mechanics" on the side of any road, let alone on far away parts when i should be on holiday. So i have many questions, put to people who actually own and use and repair and i hope you guys can guide me....

As most(70 per cent) of my driving will be on roads would an early model(simpler to fix) still be over kill, as the camping load will be minimalist. My angle here is not mpg, but for "are unimogs really that reliable". Would spares prices drive me bankrupt ?

I have a very old FFR 110 with an 2.5 n/a engine(again, no abuse lol) that is slow and very noisy...i know it will drive the missus nuts after a while because of the noise and will make her ears bleed. Would it prudent to look at a turbo model, if they were fitted to early unimogs ?

Thanks again for your help, and i hope to talk more on the forums..

Steve.

 

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Re: so many questions....
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2014, 02:11:40 pm »
hi steve, welcome to the club :)

if you are going to be travelling long distances with your wife, stay away from models like the u900, theyre noisy, and dont have the most spacious cab :) i personally would recommend a 1300L for you, a lot of them have just been released from army's all over the place, so there are plenty of them being broken for spares :) you could also then get one with high ratio axles ( a lot of the military 1300L's had high ratio's) theyll make you part with a bit more money, but theyre a luxury well worth having. the 1300L is comfortable, and quite, and many of them have ambulance bodies on the back, which are good for turning into campers. the only disadvantage to a 1300L is really the pay load. the military models also have spent most of their lives being serviced to death and doing very few miles ;) they sometimes come with wading kits as well :P

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Re: so many questions....
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2014, 03:48:07 pm »
Hi Steve, and welcome to UCUK.

I'll second what Brian says about the round cabs being a bad idea for your needs. If you think your landy is loud, take a high road speed run in a U900 and when you go back to the landy you won't even notice the engine running! :D

The 1300L is a very nice vehicle. Much more refined and more space. On top of that it's great to let a government take the hit on costs and buy surplus spares on the cheap! From what I can see of it the 1300L is a very common machine all over the world - a big help if you are abroad and need a part. They seem more popular in Europe than they are here.

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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2014, 04:48:01 pm »
Thank you both for your very prompt replies, didn't expect that on a Saturday  😁

If serviced properly(and thats one thing I am good at) how reliable is an older unimog ?

On the front page of this web site, it looks like a short wheel base unimog with a habitable pod on the back, are the pods rare in the UK ?

Again many thanks guys for your help

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2014, 04:56:50 pm »
I'll let Brian reply re the pod - it's an interesting piece of kit, and custom made.

Reliability wise I don't think they're too bad. Certainly you can expect a Land Rover to break just as much or more! When they do break they're not cheap, but the engineering that goes into them is pretty good.

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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2014, 08:59:45 am »
Hello,
Thanks for all the replies.

I think I need to dig deeper on the reliability end of things, as speed and mpg to a certain degree don't matter to much to us. Has anyone got both a land rover and a unimog and can compare the two, re reliability. This is not meant to cause some sort of flame war thingie, just would like to hear reports from owners :)
I have a land rover, I know how in reliable they can be in the newer models. Mine is not to bad as there are no electronics on it at all(after 26 years its now got a GPS/HUD in the form of a nexus 7 and I could almost hear the ghosts of the past screaming "WTF IS THAT THING" LOL)

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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2014, 10:19:17 am »
I've had three (or is it four? I can't remember but I think I had two that were nearly identical!) landy's in the past. My trouble is that I haven't had the mog for long enough to judge it properly. Having spent years reading about mogs and trying to figure out if I could afford one I've talked to a hell of a lot of owners though and the impression I get is that they are reasonable. They have a reputation for being complicated and troublesome, but that reputation seems to lie with the folk who don't actually have one!

My take on it is that as long as you get on top of the air system before you go they're usually no worse than anything else. Air leaks do seem quite common but I think that is down to seals standing still and hardening up? My clutch slave seems to have gone partly for that reason so for the time it takes, little bits like that are worth pulling apart for the sake of it and checking. A seal kit for mine was £20 so changing it is no big deal.

If the machine has been well serviced that is a big bonus. There are a few little places that I have seen cause problems for several owners - the portals for example hold a very small amount of oil so if they have leaked and not been checked it doesn't take long for them to run dry and get damaged. An ex MOD 1300L would most likely have things like this well covered unlike a smaller company owned machine that may have been neglected.

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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2014, 02:23:32 pm »
as long as the mog is serviced at the correct intervals, they a very reliable, in my opinion more reliable than a landrover, think of a landrover, its a pressed axle, generally 10 splines?, straight half shafts. a unimog 1300l has a 3 piece axle, i believe around 20 splines off the top of my head, tapered half shafts, the unimog has to be strong in the axles especially, because it has difflocks, there's a reason land rover have never fitted difflocks as an option from the factory :P

when he was younger my dad was a complete land rover nutter, he was constantly fitting different engines in them, flipping the axles, and moddifying them, then he got a unimog... he now has 6 unimogs and no land rovers ;)

people look at the unimog and get scared off, flexible chassis, portal axles, diff locks, torque tubes, their first impression is that it will be too complicated, but when you look at a mog in the flesh, the principal is in fact simple, and you also get a true representation of the build quality, for example the chassis on a mog is 9mm thick.

regarding the pod, its fitted to a u900 406, pods for a mog of this size are just rare in general, when we took it over to germany there were a lot of people interested in it cos its not often you see them fitted to this size chassis. its made using the rear body of a Hagland BV, we cut the bottom out completely and modified it to fit to the spider frame. the worst part of the conversion was making the cupboards, not a flat face on it!  >:( :)
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Re: so many questions....
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2014, 08:02:30 pm »
As everyone has said before, the u1300 is ideal for overland. Most countries have had some involvement with unimogs, be it the goverment, multinationals (eg oil exploration) or NGO humanitarian organisations so there is likely to be a service and supply route for parts set up.
Another point is that many "complicated" mogs are ag spec so have hydraulics and PTOs etc, an ex military u1300 would have non of that to worry about.
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2014, 09:10:47 pm »
Michelin XZL ;)
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Re: so many questions....
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2014, 06:44:25 pm »
hi and welcome unionjak

sorry for not saying hi earlier...things have been busy  :)

I run a 300tdi 110 defender and a u900 unimog. as NJC has said older mogs suffer from being stood around and seals going. The only real problems from the mog has been due to fuel problems (and the fact i was given dirty diesel from a friend  ::)) and pto problems from the person i got the shafts from. As double gloucester has said at least the military mogs dont have these problms as they are a 'basic' mog. Oh and just to add my mog has broken down more than my defender has. The defender is ex-utility so has had all its services and any parts replaced, no questions asked but the utility company.

as for the speed an u900 will do 45mph flat out but a square cab (like the 1300) are slightly quicker about 55mph (someone correct me if im wrong please  :))

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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2014, 07:27:09 pm »
I will second the XZLs. I also like Continental MPTs, they are a good all round tyre with good road manners and wear well.

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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2014, 08:58:45 pm »
casto, at least explain the situation with your mog if your gonna say its broken down more than your defender ;)
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2014, 10:05:05 pm »
Yeah, what have you broken fella? I know about the pto shaft joints and the drop box, but those are both ag spec kit and won't be on an overland truck.

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2014, 02:34:16 pm »
im not saying all mogs are bad. the blue u900 was fine, im just being honest that mine has had a few problems. as i said earlier if its a basic mog there wont be those problems.
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