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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2017, 10:31:04 pm »
Sorry not very clear at the moment got loads of work on at the moment, the dampers are the same front and rear on 411 the original Unimog dampers are set for heavy rebound to control a heavy axle under a light vehicle it's not something you have to worry about. If your existing dampers are knackered you will notice a massive difference in the way she'll drive.
On a 411 synthetic oil will only release a little power due to less friction not worth it on a 411 just regular oil change will do.
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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2017, 08:46:40 pm »
Moose

Thanks a lot for the clarifications.

This is a bush truck, but I plan on keeping it going for a long time so I am very interested in babying it along. I thought the synthetic oil might be better protection. Oil’s and filters aren’t the place to cut corners.

We’ll be bumbling along at tractor speeds as it’ll add minutes rather than hours to any on road journeys. Offroad is what it’ll be doing most. I just don’t want to end up like the guy in the video, there’d be no living that down.


Thanks for your help.

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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2017, 09:16:03 pm »
Seen this video this wasn't far from me I think why he put that rope on I don't know 😀😀😀if your gonna be using it off road stick with standard oil and change it regularly that way if it's contaminated it's cheap to replace.
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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2017, 09:31:20 pm »
Moose

Point taken on the oil.

Ref the video, I know that if it happened to me, a crowd would materialize with their iPhone's out. 5 minutes and everyone in the county would know and it would be on the evening news. Must remember to pay attention.

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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2017, 09:36:17 pm »
30 years of mugging and as soon as you move cameras are out 😀😀 and god forbid you should get stuck 😀😀
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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2017, 08:41:32 am »
I know the old owner of that U1000 in the video. He was the first person ever to take me around an off road site in a Unimog - that Unimog! Tom was his name, a chap with lots of interest in everything unusual. I think he sold the Unimog and bought an old American Chevy pickup when he got bored of off roading.

It's a shame he tied it to that tree. I'm pretty sure it would have made it down there fine without the hindrance of that winch line pulling him over.
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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2017, 08:58:11 pm »
It sounds like a momentary lack of judgement compounded by taking bad advice from the guy guiding. Then it became a lesson for others in how not to do it.

Learning from YouTube is great until you become the focus of attention.

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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2017, 07:38:30 am »
That pretty much sums it up. Apparently there was very little damage, he was ok and they carried on, so all was well. The only issue he had, and the reason for a lot of mucking about when it went over, is that the engine wouldn't turn off. Apparently he had to select a high gear and stall it?

Back on the original topic, I look forward to seeing your progress with your new 411. I really like the older Unimogs. That's where my interest lies and seeing them working is just fantastic. I must say though, driving Moose's 1450 brought a whole new experience of comfort and power compared to my 406!

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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2017, 10:20:30 pm »
They are the same front and rear, the compression is light and re bound is heavy Unimogs have heavy axles to overall weight
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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2017, 07:37:22 pm »
Moose

Thanks for the explanation. I’ve been thinking a lot about it and the application to my particular Mog hybrid. I’m starting to worry about the clearance between the Nissan engine and the axle. I’ve attached some pictures.

The first pic shows the oil pan and diff. The most important question is; how much clearance is there with a stock engine? If the blocks are removed and as you say the dampers have a soft compression there could be damage to the oil pan especially if there was a load on the front, like a snow plow.

You can see by the pictures that even though the springs are blocked up in front, the dampers are in the original mountings. Also, there are rubber bumpers which I don’t think are standard. That leads me to think that it was done to prevent damage. The current bumpers are made from old conveyor belting with a 6 cm gap to the axle. This solution is better than nothing but, not much. I think that at a minimum they need to be replaced by polyurethane bumpers/pads. The problem would be that if the steel lifts are removed, there’s not going to be any clearance.

What would you suggest to avoid some sort of catastrophic failure?

Also, since the diff locks are already converted to air; Is it a good idea to operating in 4wd with only the rear axle locked? Some of the places I’ll be using the Mog have 1 or 2 k’s of steep uphill slogging. In a tractor it’s the way to go but what about Mog’s? Could it cause problems?

Thanks for your help.

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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2017, 08:58:07 am »
The dampers won't make a difference to spring rates just control of the springs. The sump on a OM 636 has a front mount sump that sits over the differential if your going to put a snow plugs on the front you need the heavy front springs ( I have some in stock ) they are very stiff with no load.
Regarding the sump all I can think is did they do that engine with a front mount sump or modify the one you have now.
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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2017, 09:02:39 am »
Hi Tom,

Just a quick note, in the pics the front left hub is missing it's breather hose (You can see the clamp that holds it to the top king-pin) it's very important that this is fitted, especially in off-road situations, I would check the front right also to make sure it's got the hose fitted as well.

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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2017, 10:02:00 pm »
OK Moose & Brian,

One of the hazards of buying a “Hybrid” is that the factory manuals can only tell you what it was before it was played with. That’s why all your help is so valuable and appreciated.

I slopped around in the slushy snow today and confirmed to myself that the distance between the axle and the chassis bumper is approximately the same as the height of the block under the spring. Therefore if I cut the block off, the chassis will sit on the axle – more or less. Obviously not a good situation.

It also appears that the oil pan will not hit the axle before the chassis does. Though I have to admit that my measurements were cursory because I was getting a lot of wet snow down the back of my pants and as I have mentioned before I am a wimp.

The weather report for the next 10 days is mostly above freezing and dry, if the weatherman can be trusted. So when it dries up a bit, I’ll pull the springs off and measure them. (he says with unwarranted confidence).

In the meantime, what do you think of running in 4wd with the back axle locked? Is there a Mog issue with it?

Thanks for all your help.

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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2017, 08:11:46 am »
you should put the rear difflock in when traction is reduced if you put it in when traction is good you run the risk of damage, best way to see if anything is an issue with axle clearance is take the front springs off.
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Re: 411 in Norway
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2017, 05:47:39 pm »
Moose,

Sorry, I wasn’t clear, this is a bush truck so will be driven off-road primarily. Here wood is cut mostly in the winter when the ground is frozen. The rest of the year, if not timed well, the trails can be soft. Patches of bog and thixotropic clay can catch you out and there is also the damage done to the trail that will quickly turn an access trail into a river. Forestry tractors with 4wd usually have a locking back axle to minimize trail damage.

The 411’s on the other hand were originally equipped with only the option to lock both axles. Is there a reason for this? Could it cause damage by only locking the rear? It’s a quick and easy fix to add two more valves for the actuators, but it could be expensive if it blows an expensive component.

The manuals don’t cover the axle/chassis clearance but as Brian pointed out, getting it wrong could damage the torque tubes. With hybrid like mine, it’s hard to guess what’s going to be a solution and what’s going to cause an expensive problem.

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